This House Believes That Scotland Should be an Independent Country

165th Session XXIVth Meeting 15th May 2014

The twenty fourth, and last, Ordinary Meeting of the 165th Session of the Literary and Scientific Society took place at 7pm on the 15th of May 2014 in The Canada Room. The meeting was attended by 60 members.

Miss Pouryahya chaired in place of Mr Kydd who chose to speak at this debate.
The honorable President, Mr Adam Kydd, was asked by James McaAlister for the final
time what he had enjoyed for breakfast that morning. Subsequent presidents questions
were asked by Andrew Carruthers, Jonathan Finlay, and Nic Brinza.

Miss Pouryahya then moved the house to address the motion THIS HOUSE BELIEVES

Mr Eoin McGarrity opened for the proposition arguing the case for the re-establishment of
a Literific/ law society fraternity. No. He moved on to remind the house that 591 members
of Parliament are not Scottish and yet legislate for Scotland, criticizing the slyness of the
government suggesting that Westminster does not work in Scotland’s interest. Mr
McGarrity concluded with the idea that Scottish people should be in charge of Scottish

Mr Adam Kydd then opened for the opposition likening the possibility of Scotland leaving
the UK to leaving a comfy house for smelly student digs. He suggested that Scotland can
better serve Scotland’s poor by remaining part of the UK and urged the house to
remember the lessons of the recession when the Bank of Scotland was bailed out by the
UK. Mr Kydd concluded that being better together meant the successful sharing of

Mr Connor Hogan continued the case for the proposition by arguing that the Union has not
shown its worth as can be seen by the extortionate price of a pint. He conceded that a
currency union may be positive and workable but that the UK political elite act against

Mr Adam Reilly continued the case for the opposition emphasizing the balance between
self-determination and democracy. He spoke about philosophical experiments concerning
italians, social democracy, tax and hunger. He concluded by describing the Union as the
Nation of Enlightenment.

Mr Benjamin Christman furthered the propositions case… we think. Sarcasm oozed from
the intellectuals pores while he brought out a fetching set of teacups and a bottle of
buckfast. Needless to say never a more patriotic act had there been in the bosom of the
Canada room. Likening conservative MPs to chinese pandas, Mr Christman urged the
house to remember that we simply don’t know what’s good for us, being the savages that
we are. Mr Christman concluded by leading the house in three toasts: the first To George
Osbourne, servitude and poverty. The second To David Cameron and patriarchy
#womenaredangerous. And the third, To Blair, racism and the British Empire.

Miss Katy Waller continued the case for the opposition… in rhyme. It was amazing and the
minutes will never do it justice so here are the highlights. Dr Who was Scotland’s fault,

Miss Naomh Gibson closed the case for the proposition claiming that heritage is… male
cow excrement, comparing the Scottish Independence to a parents divorce and
abandonment issues. Miss Gibson spoke of Alex Salmond’s sensuality and urged the
house not to engage in intercourse with UKIP.  She concluded with the argument, ‘Scotland
is Jack, let it go Rose.’

Mr Alexander Horkan closed the case for the opposition arguing that Scottish
independence would act as its own tartan noose and asked the house to consider to price
of FREEDOM (Braveheart style). He spoke about the NHS and a Caldonian Eutopia
before telling us a story about a dancing Santa and a bemused shop keeper.

The motion was opened to the floor and questions were heard from Conor Hayes, Andrew
Carruthers, Connor Conneally, Marie-Louise Synnott, Patrick Mallon, James McAlister and
Paul Shannon.

The motion was defeated with 3 abstentions, 18 ayes and 19 neighs.
A motion of thanks was granted to the law-soc and we retired, for the final time, to the
House Bar.

Open Debate – This House Would Stop QUBSU Having Referenda.

The Literific left a motion free for members to decide what they wanted to debate during the year – passed around a suggestion box and we had some great ideas ranging from the death penalty and tearing up the Good Friday Agreement to Zayn being the best member of One Direction and others that would probably get our website banned!

Thanks to all that contributed to the vote and the motion is: This House Would Stop Queen’s University, Belfast Students’ Union Having Referenda.

This motion is following some controvery over recent motions put forward by the SU council at QUB and we will be challenging this on Thursday the 6th November in the QUB Senate Chamber.

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As always all members of the community are welcome to come to the event: membership is £5/£10 for associate members and this is a one time fee. All events are free 🙂
Even if you haven’t been before, or haven’t attended for a while come along and watch the event; no pressure to speak as the majority watch the debate and some get involved with points of information or questions.

See you Thursday 🙂

This House Would Clone Extinct Species


The 23rd Ordinary Meeting of the Literary and Scientific Society took place on the 8th of May in the Senate Room.

Viorel Vlad, Owen Wright and Beth Malcolmson stood in proposition of cloning extinct species. Vlad stated that many aspects of biology being researched are linked and come together and we won’t know how much we can achieve until we do something. Owen continued by stating that by cloning extinct species we would rectify some of humanities mistakes. By increasing biodiversity we could be lead to medical cures. Malcolmson stated that the fact it is possible is reason enough to clone and that it is a process that will constantly improve. She said it was our responsibility to bring back species but that it should be a heavily regulated process.

Nic Brinza, Nick Millington and Derek Crosby spoke for opposition. Brinza admitted that in the past he got caught up in the awesome prospect of having pet dinosaur but that this just showed our susceptibility to only seeing the good but ignoring the dangers. Millington told the House that all cloning extinct species would do was to perfect the technique, but that our environment would gain nothing by bringing a species back. Crosby’s closing remarks focused on cloning angering God and that’s why he hit dinosaurs with a giant rock and some stuff about humans being a hardcore species covered in the hide of others.

The debate then went to the floor, a vote and the motion passed.